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More than ever we do not necessarily agree, |
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and today it's a new polemic which surrounds you after your interview with |
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the Corriere della Sera. We will speak about |
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your book "The French Suicide": have you, yes or no, spoken of |
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"deportation" to evoke the Muslims of France. The word "deportation", |
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has it been said? It's an extraordinary story. Not only was the word |
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"deportation" NOT pronounced by me (as reported), but it was not even |
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said by the Italian journalist recognised in "Le Figaro" (respected conservative Daily) |
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who said, "No; I had asked a longish question and had SUMMARIZED |
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my question with one word: 'deportation'." So I am accused of saying a word |
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which I did NOT pronounce. After that I was accused of not having contradicted |
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a word which had not even been said. |
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We have here a fantastic manipulation. |
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I am accused not of having said something, but of having thought it. |
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I insist: this idea which shocks us all is not your idea; |
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you don't demand the departure of Muslims/Maghrebians from our country. |
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I "demand" nothing at all, you understand, it's ridiculous. |
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There are French citizens; |
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one will not force French citizens to leave. Then there are |
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foreigners whom the state has the right to tell: 'Now you go back home'. Between the two there is nothing. |
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Simple as that. What was the substance of what you meant to say? Because |
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you invoke this shock to civilisation, or in any case what you describe |
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as a 'civil war in our country'. Indeed I think that the present situation |
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causes communities to freeze, |
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to harden, to separate on the territory of France. |
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It is a dramatic situation which will lead to the Lebanisation of France, |
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with the prospect of a civil war between communities that |
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have nothing to say to each other, who will confront each other because of no shared values, |
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and who have no longer any interests in common. This I foresee. |
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I guess it, I analyse it, it's one of the major themes in my |
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book. I think it's dramatic, and what I wanted to say in my book |
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in my "famous" interview: WHEN the civil war arrives with its cortege of horrors, |
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everything is possible, everything is conceivable which today |
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we cannot imagine. France, historically, is the country of civil wars |
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and of religious wars. |
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Nevertheless, the Interior Minister condemns the words attributed to you, pledges his support to the Muslims |
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of France and he even calls for rallies of solidarity. Bruno LeRoux, |
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Chief Minister of Socialist MPs, affirms that media (that is, us) must cease to receive you. |
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What do you say to them? You know the old phrase |
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of St. Juste: No Freedom for the enemies of Freedom. The Left is still there. |
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It was the "Terror" I remind you. When Bruno LeRoux says this, |
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he is really the heir of St. Juste. And if the Interior Minister |
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tells us that one should demonstrate and mobilise against me, do you realise it is |
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a MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR, who is charged with maintaining Order |
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and the security of citizens, who calls for rallies against a French citizen. |
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We have a Prime Minister who has already said my book should not be read. |
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Now we have an Interior Minister who calls for rallies against me; what next? |
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Will they send my readers to prison? I ask you again: |
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Do you understand that your comments are perceived as an incitement |
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to hate for an important component of our country, |
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that is, the Muslims and Maghrebians (Arabs). This too is what the Islamic Council accuses you of |
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There is no incitement to hate. I try to |
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analyse, rationally, a situation. |
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Let's go back to the begininning: Jean-Luc Mélenchon (French Communist Party) who has |
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translated an interview, while recognising that he speaks no Italian. |
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He has incited and inflated this with compliant media, |
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who did not even verify their sources, preferring to give moral lessons |
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and to put me on the media pre rather than |
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simply verify, as "Le Figaro" did. |
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These are Stalinist Methods. Well, for a former Trotskyite, it's a return to his sources. |
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My last question, which is often asked of you today: |
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Are you agitating with harmful ideas to sell books? |
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Could we occasionally |
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get out of this permanent malevolence, |
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this phony psychoanalysing? I am here |
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to defend ideas. Could I at least be given this credit?! |
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Or don't I even have the right to this? Could one pose the question: WHY |
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do I sell books? Perhaps people are interested in my books? |
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Without doubt. But you know that there are ideas who hurt? Ideas always hurt. |
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Finally, we do not necessarily agree. |
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We will see you here again in the New Year, as all our commentators... |
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Have a nice day. Thank you. |